here are 2 dialogs to answer that ever popular question:
how do you give quantification to the future?
A day or 3 ago, isco.ob concluded a deal. the deal has terms. they are readable….but not yet filed with the sec (isco is draggy on that…)
the deal involves $10mm. to which i commented: so what?
the deal appears to value isco’s i/p at this moment at $40mm…to which i said, that’s a large “what.”
a sometimes intelligent person asked me:
:”Are you for real balt??????”
very much so…
:”(during these particular times), ”
u mean when capital is buying junk paper at rates that ensure the double dip???
are u watching the spread between t-bills and corporate junk?? that tells the prudent speculator that cash inflows for speculation are masssive. (people who think of tv as a news source get confused by the dow not being 18ooo or whatever, and think that means that there’s no capital to be had…but the ability of industry to float crap bonds at <6% says plenty of $$$ is chasing a home..)
:”does not dilute we shareholders,” if it had it would be negative….and not “so what”…
(people who think buying retail common shares of a puppy with no ebitda is “investing” usually end up double and triple counting any positives. “no change” = 0 …..not +.
:”comes through on it’s promise ” –if that isn’t pretty much a given, it’s worth 0.
so it gets no points for being above 0–it was already there.
(this same class of speculators and gamblers are so used to enabling mgt failure that mgt competence is read as a miracle. that is, mgt failure is the fault of a “weak market” “investor ignorance” “obama/bush/fda/reptiles from outer space, and mgt competence is a miracle who needs all our money—in spite of the obvious fact that retail purchase of common puts >>>no<<< money into corporate treasuries. it does make it much easier for insiders to raise capital by showing actual investors what the mkt is as they roll over their positions.)
:”while still being a developmental stage company”
that’s the btim koolaid on your breath…a puppy that has been “development stage” since 1992…
:”the company is pulling rabbits out of it’s hat ”
if i thought that…i’d tell clients to dump asap… there’s only so many rabbits in any given hat..
:”That is a big WHAT in my book. Bought more today.”
that’s nice. tiredof probably has a bridge in ft washington he can lease you cheap…if ak gets a cut.
(that’s a reference to btim.amex, whose ceo holds himself out as the world’s #1 expert on stem cells, regardless of harvard, warf, etcetcetc… )
:”I would like to hear some of the directors that are responsible for closing these deals speak. ”
i want them to keep their mouths shut and keep working…but be able to do better than have i/r brag about minimal compliance on date of a 10q…
:”As far as ip goes, not possible to put a price on it yet”
that’s compleat nonsense. if u can;t put a price on something, the price is 0.
:”but 40 million? Ridiculously low. ”
well then, isco got screwed, didn;t it????
and all the ydydyydaaa smoke u said first means nothing.
(btim, frinstance, trades in part based on a putative valuation of a patent estate it >leases<, and of patent applications that are years from approval..and therefoire value @ ??? $.0.00 ..until cash flow from those patents is measurable.
:”You have 10 million people in need of corneas ”
that’s already been thoroly discussed..and comes down to 1 point:
that’;s nice–how much $$$ do they have?
:”it looks like we are there already” not to anyone who knows the drill. (actual IND, phase i,ii,iii, etc will require…2 years? 4? how many millions in paperwork??? enough for another tranche of funding to be necessary. but..in my analysis, isco can get seriuous and have the next tranche be > 1 7/16–which makes any buying now at retail the equivalent of “insider prices.”)
:”I could go on and on as I did before regarding all the other potential.”
yes…as you have, many times, without even beginning to do any actual dd…
:”The ip is likely worth much more then 40 million.”
whatever….then scream at aldrich how the krauts shafted him….
i am working from the data at hand:
somebody is excecuting a biz plan.
somebody who knows the biz says full access to 20% of the i/p is worth $10mm..
prudent speculators will note that this is a solid deal…and run their numbers, and run their voodoo.
and will be accumulating hard.
is the difference between these 2 pov obvious?? yeah. and yet, that poster is long isco, and i have clients long isco.
he’s long because isco management miraculously found $10mm.
i;m long because intelligent people ran a valuation, and thast valuation supports a price closer to 1 1/2 than 1…
he’s long isco because they’re going to growing eyeballs any day now.
i’m long becuase isco is steadily closing in on actual prodict and praxis that will lead to sales higher than overhead.
each decision i am making is based on a quant. that quant may be difficult to see—but if it can;t be seen, it’s worth 0.
no matter what the talk.
story stocks are about the odds of walking the talk.
from another board, a closely related discussion…what’s the “story” and what quants are there.
this one is a high point (in re the reduction in venom from a pawn of insider $$…) that also may help clarify to the prudent speculator what due diligence is.
:”BTIM sells stem cells and takes an interest in the upside of the discovery that may be created”
btim is certainly free to make such contracts with anyone who would fall for them….
on the other hand, millipore doesn’t.
:”Had You attended the annual meeting you would have known that, ” at the last ..lol..annual meeting, 9 months prior, numerous shareholders left with the understadning of how important rgi/nih direction was–and mikey was doing dog&pony on it—just a few days before nih said no.
and then it was never the plan at all.
now it is true that anytime mikey/garfies/ak/neal want to they can give judy $35 on her debit card and another “wholly owned subsidiary to…” can appear.
:”what makes Harvard the expert? only your opinion…”
rotfl….
u forgot to dis warf….
:”when anything comes Out in the Media, Dr West is the first person”
cuase he takes the call, knows how to put on makeup and can do 8 second soundbytes.
how come when there is a real peer review conference on stem cells, mikey is always too busy hyping whatever puppy he’s doing to have actual work to present?
:”plan to be the picks & shovels supplier dictates constant predictable cash flow, thus steady long term growth, once again, ”
yup. totallllly. yup. u betcha..of course, that discounts ur opening point, unless dealing with somebody so broke that they pay for picks and shovels by offering a shares in the mine…which is not predictiable cash flow.
:”just like anything the components cost bucks and one company can get rich creating the components, to deny that is foolish…”
yes. one company can–if it has both first mover and quasi-monopoly…like 65% of potentuial mkt share… it’s sometehing i read for when i’m looking at proposals.
or–if it can be made cheap enuff, and then have a ginormous markup for convenience.
:”Millipor picked Biotime,” not in evidence as to who went to whom… even if mil initaited, yeah, they were adding stem cells to the mix..a 150 page catalog…which was 150 pages thick when btim signed on to have 2 items in it.
:”post their names,”
post urs…u impotent boytoy poser…
:”look at calculators”…yeah..go ahead..look…i watched the price of a hot handheld ti move from $1200 to $10 for the same functions over 8 years…and to $1 over the next 5.
cars? tata is on ther mkt at like $2600….
:”and Balt not all lottery tickets are a buck,” i’ll take ur word for it…not a part of my portfolio strategy…
:”and insiders continue to invest more funds,”
yup. so determining >>>>their basis<<<< is the issue.
and those who like this puppy should be trading to get a basis like that of insiders…which is close to 0.
(this cannot be stressed enough. the prudent speculator should not be lazarus at the gate, waiting for a dog to lick his wounds. the prudent speculator does not homage the insiders and grant them some natural right to more profits. if insiders will finance so that gthey are functionallly in @ $1–then prudent speculators will trade to that basis. “buy and hold” is an abomination–a false god that lets the pumpers, bucket shops, and insiders keep drawing their bonuses at the speculator’s expense, usually by telling him he is an “investor.” )
:”so he helped me make over 1000% on my money, not you.. ”
u’ve reported before being in this puppy at 4ish ion the way down…or 4ish on the way up the first time after ak came on board…
but u are in fact making the critical point again: those in this puppy <2 have reason to like it a lot.
that has nothing >>>>at all<<<< to do with it at 5 3/8…
(another example of the same problem. the most generous estimate i can give for btim prices 2 1/4. insider finance games keep it above 4. the principal insider is in close to 0. so unless this puppy were offered at <2 1/2….it’s overpriced. can you buy 5 1/2, sell 7, keeping enough shares to share a few odd lots at insiders prices? then, if you like this puppy, go for it. if not, then you’re cannon fodder for the gamers.)
:”sees upside 100 times where the stock is today”
nope…he sees 100x growth in gross revs for the sector.
(Another point that cannnnot be stressed enough. the common stock of a given equity is not the sector, and historically, about 85% of everything goes broke without affecting the sector’s long time story arc. the prudent speculator is invited to read the history of railroad industry financing…hehe)
the issue is how much of that goes to btim ebitda..
that’s “worth” 1 7/8–2 1/2… ak will keep this puppy 4 — 6 with occasional spikes..and keep getting shares at $0 net..
prudent speculators will do the same.
if its 100% your money, your ability to beleive stock board “guidance” is set at 0%.
so…yes. you can quant a fairy tale. one piece of straw at a time.
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